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Marvelicious's avatar

What I said early on is that I don't actually need for Donny boy to rot in prison - it would be nice, and I absolutely hope it happens, but the one thing I REALLY need from all of this is a felony conviction on his record. I want to be able to see him forever referenced as "convicted felon Donald J. Trump."

Of course, early on I didn't expect the various legal systems to take it quite so seriously. I fully expected a token conviction and for Joe to magnanimously commute his sentence and let him slink off in disgrace. As it is, it really looks like they're making an example of him, and it's pretty excellent. The more of his co-conspirators that also wind up in a cell, the better.

As for the denial factor, I was at a family reunion last week and it was a pretty monochromatic group, but it was politically diverse. The only people who were clueless or rude enough to risk spoiling the good time by mentioning anything political were busy asking everyone if they'd seen some of the various right wing cinematic masterpieces that have been released lately. I didn't engage: there's a certain depth of burying one's head up one's ass where it becomes impossible to reach them from the outside.

Laura Jedeed's avatar

Yeah, I don't need Trump to rot in prison on a visceral personal vengeance-baded level, which is why I opposed the Stormy Daniels indictment. But I definitely want to make an example of him for his serious, treasonous crimes as a lesson to the others. I too am very surprised at what a good job these indictments are doing. Had totally written them off. It's nice to be surprised

I've had the same experience with aggro conservatives--not saying I've never seen a lib ruin the proverbial Thanksgiving but 99% of the time it's MAGA. I guess when your identity revolves around liberal tears it's hard to rein that in for anyone

Brendan's avatar

RICO. Suave.

Kymi's avatar

There is too much misinformation out there on the Hunter Biden story to get a good understanding of it, in my opinion. I've had to go to extremes like listening to congressional hearings (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5078453/irs-whistleblowers-opening-statements-hunter-biden-investigation) and reading the court documents (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/26/proposed-hunter-biden-plea-agreement-00108426) to confirm there are real crimes here for which Hunter was receiving a "sweetheart deal". This is the same kind of deal one would expect a rich white cis male with political allies to receive, but it's there nonetheless. It's a shame it fell apart due to bad lawyering.

Laura Jedeed's avatar

That's what I'm seeing too from a far more cursory look than you've given it, and I'm glad to know what it looks like on a deeper level. Hunter Biden is probably guilty of nepotism but who the fuck isn't, unfortunately; we have bigger fish to fry as a nation. Rearranging deck chairs to distract from the gaping hole in the ship of state

Bill Flarsheim's avatar

Thanks for your take on the news and the right wing. I enjoyed it as always.

Trystan's avatar

Donald Trump deserves to see what a gas station looks like upside down. Just once in my life.